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or is it? tonight, on laura coates live. ♪ ♪ ♪ all right, i ate mitt, that was a bit of a quick question. but nikki haley does believe it's a two-person race between trump and herself. >> donald trump got out there and threw a temper tantrum. i know that's what he does when he is threatened and he should feel threatened. >> trump and biden think it's a 2% race between the two of them. you know what the fact? is the primary season is taking a bit of a backseat to what will cool the court season. because even the not republicans, yes nine republicans have dropped out of the race, people forget about a third party. the real decider at times. the courts.
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now it might all come down to fani willis, alvin bragg, jack smith, letitia james, not to mention of course the d.c. circuit court. and perhaps the biggest decider of all, those nine who are still very much a part of the game. the supreme court. so much for a two-person race, this is going to be a whole lot bigger than that. light coat about now with cnn legal analyst and former deputy assistant attorney general elliott williams. for more hub chief of staff under trump shermichael singleton, and former senior adviser for the biden campaign alencia johnson. glad to have you all. here we talk about this being a two-person race. and of her party or the no party, that no labels, but really when it comes down to it, trump has used each different court appearance as a campaign stop. it has been advantages for him and the polling. he is a fundraised heavily off of all of it. when you look back now, that
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elephant in the room alencia, the's courts. these trials. what do you see? >> you said it. it is a free press that donald trump lacks. i think the only reason he likes to put testify, is because he knows he's going to get that media tension for. it when i was talking to some folks earlier this week about how, for democrats, even though that means a lot of the oxygen and media will be sucked up by trump and these cases, those are actually free campaign ads for us. not only are democrats horrid of the chaos and these core cases, so are independents, so moderates, so our general election voters. so it will benefit us in a weird way when i say not a lot of media attention on the candidate does actually benefit. you because it's horrible price for donald trump with what's happening in the courts. >> he thinks it's good price, though. anytime talk about you, it's a good. think part of his campaign's been about, it's got him and troubles at times, the political witch hunt. umbrella term, used to describe
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all these different actions. he is using it as a part of his campaign even to the point of gag order conflicting with what he wants to do. >> look, it really does possibly benefit him politically to go out. because when authority of the nation or at least a third of voters or whatever it might be actually believe this is a witch hunt that's been okay out of washington and with tentacles across state courts in georgia and new york, federal courts in washington, d.c., ultra to take down former president the, when these cases ramp up he gets a strong argument that these people are coming after him. look, i know it's nonsense, i'm pretty confident you think it's nonsense too. so are most sensible people in america. something to contend with is there are a lot of people who believe the former president is being prosecuted against. >> think about this electability part of it. nikki haley tried to use a. chris christie tried to use this. asa hutchins, an event descended at different times.
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oh talk about electability. the package you described as a public office, the legal cases, these are things so much for the average voter or moderate or independent. but the electability question to contempt into play for the primary as much, why? >> because most republicans at the base level believe donald trump should be given essick and opportunity. whether they believe the election was stolen or even those who don't believe the election was stolen. when i travel the country, laura, many say would it not for covid he would have won the election -- >> i heard that a lot! [inaudible] or the economy was great, i liked the way he handled immigration, left in the of others. he should be given another opportunity. i will say this. i think donald trump is poised to impact georgia. michigan, i think, is in play. nevada's and. play arizona is in play. -- you know, what i'm willing to vote for him again. when you look at the margins he lost our states, less than
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20,000 foot, less than 12,000 votes. there is certainly a pathway for him to regain those electoral counts. >> you are nodding, you agree with that? >> well, it's interesting because i feel like some of those independents are saying that. right? but they're also getting card of. this i think with nikki haley and i'm sure we're going to talk about new hampshire, some of what she was working to the forefront in the competition is worthless people go for tired of the chaos? whether or not they support donald trump as a publicity later, feels weird to say that, but whether or not this important people are exhausted from the chaos. they want this chaos out of our politics. even i would say a lot of these republicans who are publicly backing him, you know quietly are frustrated with all of this. but there are beholden to power over, unfortunately, democracy. but it will be interesting what those independents do when they go nfl at box as opposed to
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answering the question over the phone or in focus groups -- >> it's true, when you look at how people respond to these polls, it's one thing. i'm picking up on the part they hear a lot. we all know about the illusion of the mandala's. there is at. we hear at that donald trump will say, they say, i say, we owe say who's that, sir? be specific. i mean, when it comes to new hampshire or iowa or south carolina or any of the states, the independent voters, the voters who are going to support or not support him. there is not always that clear line, elliott, between all of them. there is a notion of how do you want to be represented, how's the world see us? but also, how do they view the court system and due process? right? >> right. and i think another fighter and all this as we all know that former president quite well, he was president for four years, was a magnet for decades before that. but for 2024 avatar that's
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donald trump hasn't been tested yet. he hasn't debated another candidate. he hasn't debated joe biden. he hasn't debated nikki haley or anyone else. and there is this question of, is he going to appeal to independents in some way? we don't know because no one's actually -- it's still a fantasy and an idea. based on what we knew from 2020 and 2016 and so on. but it's an entirely different world now and i'm curious, if he turns out to be the nominee, which are the person that, the where this goes six or eight months from. now >> gary tuchman was and i'm sure, actually south carolina, talking to people. it was new hampshire? here is what he had to say. >> i do feel as though he's still fit to be president alpha united states. >> i would say yes because i don't think there's any legitimate thing they are trying to come for. >> if he's convicted of a crime, i don't think he should be the president. >> first of, all love new hampshire that extent. my father was proud massachusetts, it makes me feel
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at home for a second. when i hear, that i think about how they're reviewing it. we are not hearing a lot about policy. we are hearing about should he be on or off the ballot. should they be prosecuting him? this is what really seems to be the big question. not only for low to test of who might be running mate, but also how voters are seeing him. >> yeah, i mean, you're making a great point. there is no policy position that a lot of these voters are talking about. and they feel there's someone, quote unquote, standing up for the guy. when donald trump would be the furthest away from standing up for little people. but the reality is, here i think voters gather information in sound bites. we know that. i'm a communications person that worked on several campaigns, right? they get their information, these short soundbites, and they're believing what is being repeated oliver fox news, what's being repeated from truth social, what being painted unfortunately from the house with the speakers, but multiple that the republican party has had. so it's going to be interesting
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as the biden campaign continues to try to derive a policy focused campaign. this week they spent a lot of time, and rightfully so, on abortion access. on the other side, you have them talking about all these court cases. and, oh, they're all against us when that reality is that republican policy actually gonna benefit a lot of their base. so it's very interesting -- >> it's a really convenient narrative that people will believe, that you are being persecuted against. or that the state is coming after. you simply saying, look, the justice department it is pulling the strings on all these things happening, never mind that number one, some of them or civil suits based on his private, personal conduct. some of them are state cases. some of them are a federal cases. they have nothing to do with each other. these prosecutors have not courted there are cases or infected. but it gate and peoples hate and they believe it and work in our sticks. but most people don't trust botulism. >> most people have a negative
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view and perspective of the justice system. here is donald trump, for all intents and purposes, the speaker, the microphone, if you will, for these individuals who do feel their voices have been unheard for a very long time. not just democrats but also by that republican establishment, laura. so when you don't hear them breaking up policy positions, it's because it's not about policies. it's about second representation and why they haven't hit in a long time. >> that's a newer invention. the idea republicans have somehow lost face and prosecutors who -- we were both prosecutors. >> they were the party of law and order. >> all about law and order for generations -- >> if you were to second the republican party -- there is a difference from the regular, base photo versus someone like myself. and i think we have to delineate between the two. >> but for generations, i go back to my time as a prosecutor, who i worked with, the cops,
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that were republicans. and they believe in this notion -- >> due process! >> that's -- >> crimes bed, cops or good, prosecutors are, good folks and gangbangers are bad -- >> that no longer the position of the republican party. this is not the republican party from ten years ago, for better or worse. >> it donald trump republican party. and this notion of who you trust, it's not law enforcement anymore. and i think, i think -- >> it's still there. i think that still there. but also quickly, despite all this effort with donald trump. the fact that nationally he's still ahead, four, five percentage points from the president. that say something. there is clearly something going on in biden's world it's not resonating with the average american voter. >> well, assuming that iowa and new hampshire are the average voter, that's true.
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did you coordinate these outputs, by the? way it's the inverse, you both look. lynn alencia, you look great. we'll leave them hanging. we all are friends. after our discussions, elliott, we have to wrap it up. thank you, shermichael and alencia, stick around. sources telling cnn that donald trump was seething behind closed doors over nikki haley's refusal to drop out. and now he's threatening her supporters with maga banishment. we'll talk about it next.
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nikki haley is about to stay in the progress, after trump new hampshire victory. and let's just cite the former president is meant to please.
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saying on truth social tonight, anyone who donates to haley will be permanently apart from the basket. he's talking about anyone tonight and from this point forward. so with haley's home state of south carolina holding its primary next month, can't she cut into the former president momentum? joining me now -- monty jet, host of reiwa and aunt won a 7.9, the monte jet show. i'm glad you're here, monte. thanks for joining us. from one radio host to another as well. you have the pulse of. people hear them calling -- >> auto to a lot of people, laura. it's so good to talk to you tonight. of note you do a morning radio show. i do, too. it's applied for me but you are used to. this it's interesting for me, trump's position on this. i thought if nikki could get within ten percentage points in new hampshire, that's probably a good move for her. and she was about at that point. and her backers are not backing
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away at this point. nick he's a fighter. she is just an amazing lady in south carolina. she has not lost an election. she was, all pundits said she didn't stand a chance in the gubernatorial race and she won by almost a landslide. you can't count her out. your earlier host, guest on your show we're talking about what people say impose, what they actually do. i think that certainly happened in south carolina because the polling showed she did not have the chance to win the gubernatorial race and she of course one. it she is quite a fighter. she cooled the confederate flag down. many governors tried to do that -- after the black massacre happened in 2015, she got a lot of stature from. that the pga tournament, the heritage lost three sponsorship in south carolina.
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and people went to nikki haley and say, hey, the state needs to step up and fun this patchier event. it gives so much money back to charities and back to the state, it's a no-brainer. she says, no. we are not going to spin tech dollars. she went out and stop the rpc and pogrom to sponsor it and we have this wonderful golf tournament. she's a fighter. we'll see what happens -- >> she says she's fighting and fighting quite hard. there was a moment, though, from one south carolinian to another, i'm thinking about senator tim scott. when the former president donald trump set and his victory speech, turned back toward tim scott, saying, listen what he had to say. >> did you ever think that she actually appointed you, tim? [laughter] and think of it. appointed, you are the center of your state and she endorsed me. you must really hate her. >> no.
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>> it's a shame. >> i just love you! >> the russians that moment. there i wonder what you might of that exchange, there. obviously he meant scott had endorsed trump, in spite of that appointment by nikki haley. but what did most south carolina voters think of something like that when you say that -- >> i talked to several people today about that. i told her some very heavy republican-leaning voters. and while some are in the trump field, but they're discuss it with the tampa. scott that he will turn so much against nikki haley. she did appoint him. and there is no way he would be in the senate. he would not get elected in charleston, had he not been appointed and had some power at that point. so i think that might backfire on tim scott. >> the idea of the polls for us
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what you are hearing today today is really interesting to me. as we've talked about, polls can't be wrong. polls can be over inclusive, that margin of error is always there. and the honesty. that's for the honor system of responded to a poll it's always a hang-up when i look them. but when you're hearing people they, the fact of race is still going on. all eyes will turn towards south carolina. it's not just counting her out or not, it's really, that race is still very much alive for south carolinian tours, is the front? >> i think. so and i think it would depend on nikki haley advertising. it started today. i heard $4 million -- but i did see a few of her messages. and it's basically the same message she was running and i'm sure. and these two guys, these two old, the democrat and trump, and we need younger blood here. and she will be alive for two
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terms. these other two guys might not. so we'll see if hermitage holds in south carolina. i think she's probably going to have to tweak it a little bit, though, if she wants to fit into trump's stranglehold with a. supporters >> monty jett, you are a voice, i love a good writing a voice. the fire behind. you thank you, so nice to talk to. you always great to hear your voice and your perspective. we'll continue to follow what's happening on the ground. back with me shermichael singleton and alencia johnson. i'm sorry i don't have a fireplace -- >> that would be nice, laura. can we work at a graphic? it was cozy. people are thinking about polls, in particular. you get logged and it may be a false sense of security either way. either you think or suffer, it may lower voter turnout at result. order think lacking behind so you have to write it up. south carolina is going to be very important.
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but you hit a reaction to when you saw somebody tim scott behind trump yesterday. what was behind that look on your face, alencia? >> the pivot and the buck kissing, on television, that was happening there. those comments of governance happening of who donald trump is and how tim scott became kind of a darling of the republican party around the time when governor haley did as well, to what monty alluded to. during this time of racial unrest, there is always been racial unrest and this country, but i think during the obama years when the republican party would have been in this reckoning. we're also inclusive as well, let us show your support of people of color. these two came up in south carolina together, now tim scott who outlook of people a lot of republicans believe was a very sensible summiteer's over here groveling at donald trump, auditioning to be his running mate.
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so it's really interesting to see how the tables turned, particularly from a black man. we don't have a lot of time to talk about this. but for me, to say that position of a black man turn it to someone like donald trump, who's shown us who he is, but likely around for a, it's very disheartening. it bothers me especially as someone who's a daughter of a black man from the deep south. >> if only we hit a black man on the panel to talk to. [laughter] i know you are not the black man, shermichael -- >> i second everything she started. i think terms of politics, donald trump has a significant lead in south carolina. he's been under arrest but the very popular governor mcmaster. both u.s. senators, scott and the other endorsed him. they're very popular members of congress -- have endorsed. and several pastors of mega
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churches with significant influence and the evangelical community in south carolina have supported him. i've been ended steak with newt gingrich. i was and it's tight for doctor carson. i know that state very well. if i'm advising nikki haley, i think her futures very bright, laura. my concern would be, do we go to south carolina and lose by 40 points? you become a nuisance candidate in the eyes of many republicans voters. what does that look like if i'm trying to create a path of the next several, for years to push her in the best way to run again in 2028? and not worry risk whatever al-assad may be. so i'm not certain this is a calculation she should take. i think she should look at the numbers and perhaps get out of the state and start planning for the next four years. >> we are a month away. it's interesting, has a look at nikki haley as a woman came to, for you to acknowledge republicans say this as opaqueness. on the other side, people who
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believe women ascended to hire officers would say this as a strength she's state and and tried to take down donald trump. she persevered. so it's interesting how the republican party thinks, for the democratic party, versus independents, who could see a woman standing up to this big, some would say -- >> adjusted, not to interrupt. and ed quickly. i think getting over the trump mountain was too steep a hurdle for any of the candidates. and the republican voters, they want to give this guy another opportunity. i think as a party, we have to go through this, laura, in order to move on. it is what it is. >> i hate that phrase, shermichael. >> i'm sorry, i'm sorry. >> it is what it is. we i'm putting my tongue. shermichael, alencia, i don't want to have blood come out. i'm just messing with you, but i do hate that phrase. next, jury selection in a case that could have huge
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implications for school shootings. the mother of michigan school shooter ethan crumbley, as she also guilty? we talked about it next.
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a jury select that they end that michigan trial of jennifer crumbley, the mother of the oxford high school shooter eight and crumbly. facing four counts of involuntary manslaughter in connection with her fans mother of four students back in november 2021. it was the worst school shooting and michigan's history. athens father, james crumbley, santa clara on march 5th on the same charge, they are being
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tried separately and this matter. eight and has already been sentenced to life without parole. prosecutors accused james and jennifer crumbley of disregarding their son's mental health and buying him a gun. his mother even allegedly taking him to a shooting range. on the day of the attack, his parents allegedly refused a council owes request could be taken home after a teacher found him with a violent drawing also shooting. joining me now, jury consultant rayshard gabriel, president of decision analysis. i've been eager to talk to you today, richard, because whenever there is epic jury selection moment, my mind as a trial attorney and prosecutor goes to who am i argue in my case and front off? who's going to decide ultimately? you've got 12 jurors, five alternate that have been chosen for the jury today. i think it's ten women, seven men, several parents among them. what are your thoughts on this makeup of this jury? >> what's interesting, laura,
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is you have this deficient of men and women. you have got 11 parents. of that jury that our gun owners, raised with guns. but the only tells part of the story. it's really the attitude of those gun owners and those people that even aren't gonna northwards the responsibilities of people who own guns. what is the nature of the relationship between the parents? what is the rules regarding guns? and it's worth the jury selection becomes really interesting. several people there were asked about what they take gun safety classes? and the truth is, juries will applaud her personal experience to create their own rules and then apply that with evidence in the case. and then obviously filled that through the interpretation of the law. what's most interesting timing on this case is as you will know from heaven tried cases, is that jury selection is really about choosing those two or three people that are going to be your opinion leaders. there is a doctor on, their who's seen gunshot victims and
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his actually known to suicide victims. there are two engineers, one of whose husband's lawyer. and all those people or the strength of the jury, that's who i think either side is looking for to lead the charge for them. so it's a very interesting panel. >> it really is. the opinion later, the one who's going to be able to in some ways lean on or influence and remind people about what is expected of them as jurors, the evidence, and maybe taking away the splashes one might come with. this is also the first trial of a parent of a mass school shooter in this country. involuntary manslaughter. it can be difficult for some jurors perhaps to find who responsible, when she didn't actually pull the trigger. that's going to be the real issue for the prosecution here. talk to me about having parents on this jury, and more importantly at times when somebody is a gun owner and you say his put their own personal
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experience into it, they may think of themselves as a model citizen or the model parent and use that against her. >> i think that's really true. there is a lot of discussion in the jury selection process about parental sponsor billet here. and it has to do with what are the roles. and i think that's where age sides going to be looked into a certain type of juror, certain personality. there is some parents were like, . no i make the roles in this case, in my house, and i mentioned my kids follow them. and i'm tracking my son. another issue has to do with how well, what was her knowledge of her son's mental state and whether there was a foreseeability in terms of his ability to actually do this kind of act. so the parental responsibilities how well does achiever know their own kids? how well do they plan roles for the kurds? and how much in control of your child's behavior and helpful to the monitor your child's behavior? so a lot of it is going to be
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the personal application of these jurors themselves. >> that's such an important point, and how people will see the evidence, of your own personal lanes and what would they do if they were in that situation? that's thank if two and a curse of a jury of once peers. richard gabriel, thank you so much. really important. will lean on your insight through our trial. thank you. thank you. fear our major ethical questions over the planned execution of an alabama man. the question for many tonight is what he's being put to death by an untested method that some say could lead to excessive pain or even torture.
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the state of alabama tried to kill kenneth smith one's. they failed. and now they're trying again. and further executed through additional penalties sentence. this time the state is going to try a new and untested method. something to put him today if he was not done. gas experts are concerned because alabama is not providing many details about what their plan would entail. anthem experts are saying this execution could lead to excessive pain or even torture. smith's lawyers asked the supreme court to state tomorrow's execution. that request was declined this afternoon. i want to bring in cnn's isabel ruch ellis and alabama. isabelle, thanks so much for joining us. you spoke with a kenneth smith spiritual about today and understand he's also concerned. what did he say?
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>> right, that's reverend jeff hood. listen, he is worried this thing could be botched. he is also worried about his own personal safety. he's going to be in the execution chamber and he's got five children. his concern is that this not jim gas could leak outside of that mask that's going to be placed over the face of kenneth smith. he's concerned about the execution team that's also going to be inside of that chamber. hey, in fact, was forced to sign a waiver with the department of corrections and admitting he acknowledged he could be at risk, be in harm's way by agreeing to enter into that chamber during kenneth smith's last moments. he, toward the actual execution chamber this morning as part of the orientation effort, what he saw, he feels the state of alabama is unprepared for this never before seen, never before
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done not didn't get execution. he had safety questions, he told, me they either cook not or would not answer. listen. >> it's lunacy. it's absolute lunacy. i mean, for months with been asking the alabama department of corrections for more information, is this going to be safe? what's going to happen? today, i go into the chamber to orient myself with the warden and one of the captains of the execution squad. and as i ask questions,, he's consistently saying either we don't know or we can tell you. >> and reverend hood is scheduled to go into that execution chamber with smith sometime after the seven pm eastern hour tomorrow. smith originally had asked for this execution to be not just guess. but he reversed course, laura, after getting a hold of the state's proposal on how that
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carry out the execution. concerns, according to court documents, it go through excessive pain, specifically dealing with that mask. the big concern here is he might vomit inside that mask and choke. experiencing the pain of choking through his own vomit. who told me he has this history of consistently vomiting due to ptsd and migraines. so this is a very, very big concern for his legal team. and in fact, hotels make the state will not allow smith to eat past 10 am tomorrow, out of concerns he might vomit. we've reached out to the state for comment on that. laura? >> as a belt merciless, thank you so much. we'll be right back.
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all right, cannot work on behind the scenes. stories about true crime murderers. they are everywhere. take a look at the most popular podcast or most watched netflix documentary. you'll notice a bit of a pattern. so many are about what? you guessed, it true crime. and my next guest host a wildly popular podcast, crime junkie, consistently tops the podcast charts and was named top shove 2023 on apple podcasts for a second year. the creator and host of the show equity flores joins me now. ashley, i'm so happy to see you again. how are you doing? >> i'm doing great. how? hugh >> i'm good. --
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anna sidon able drawn in and become armchair detectives. they're everywhere. and for considering, frankly, it always paid us force of fascination but they've really exploded in popularity recently. what do you think is drawing so many people in? >> i think it's a fascination that wave as society whole head for a very long time. i think it's becoming more mainstream. a little more normal to talk about. and i know personally for me, i'm drawn to it out of a sense of self perservation, of what can i learn, how can i take away something from these stories? and as a creator, i'm constantly thinking about what guidance, what information can we give to people to protect them? >> that's such an important point. so many people are listing out of curiosity and intrigue -- thinking, how could i never allow this to happen or that this happened anything or anyone? and there are studies by the
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way the show the true crime audience as most a female. 58% compared to 42% men. logically think that? is >> i think, again, a lot of it comes from, specifically, women are more likely to become victims. if you're looking at that self preservation ankle, i think we're going to. that i also think the states are a little bit. of even from her own fan base, the schedule tell us it's woman listening. but often find their male partners are listening with them. >> i watched a housewife. my house and doesn't watch the housewives. he knows every single character -- you're talking my language, ashley, we say. you talk to us about the stories on your podcast that got the most traction. a lot have been done so well in terms of the audience and listenership. look for the big ones you have been saying? >> we actually goodwin
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recently. and i gauge it by the faith that we're getting, what sport can composition. we race late at an episode on 60 russian. we had a young woman reached out to our's in indianapolis were located about her own caucus and how she was sextorted for a number of years. after doing the, episode we told her story we also told the story of a young man named fourth montgomery who took his own life because of that sextortion he faced. in just a number of hours. and the amount of responses he got from that episode, of people saying experience something similar or even people saying that they thought they had been a victim of this same men who propped printed against asia anderson. and they were not going to contact the fbi. so it's those, like, that one. i feel like we hit something that was happening, that was relevant. we hit right on the polls. >> asia, that story, cures a
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bit of a clip from a crime junkies that goes into that very interesting and compelling story. listen to this. >> according to the fbi, sextortion it's on the. rise specifically financial sextortion. in fact, federal activists and national center for missing and exploited children issued a public safety alert about it 18 days after it quarter comes alive. because last year, more than 3000 minors were victimized. mostly boys between the ages of 14 and 17. and more than a dozen victims died by suicide as a result. and while young people are more at risk, plenty of adults get caught up in this trip, to. >> what i think this is so important is all but people have a fascination, i mean, i'm ancient realty television has and escapism vector, the realty go of what your podcast bring out is that tragic relatives and that details that are so
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important. it's not something that is entertainment, it is informational and people are latching on with both hands for that reason. i mean, as you mentioned in the show, virtually anyone with an exodus is vulnerable. that is a wide net of people. >> everyone's worried about their kids come out of the. home but the outside has been brought. and they have the entire world in the palm of their hands. and what i was most happy to hear as a result of that episode wore the competition being head at home. our listenership, there are kids middle school listening to your show. and then their appearance and grandparents. it's brooks a conversation that people don't even know they need to be happening. it often feels very far away. but if i'm heaven push completions, we can save one kid or prevent one instance of. it it's worth all the work that
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went into it. >> absolutely. so true and i'm so glad to hear. what i love, and always loved about you, i've known you for a little bit. now what i've loved about you is your corrosive he has propelled you and you are like so many of us ready -- regular people with a curious disposition, just trying to tell the stories that matter to people. and i really applaud you and. that thank you so much. ashley flowers. be sure to check out her podcast, it's called crime junkie. and, hey, thank you all for watching. i'll be live on instagram at the laura coates. be true to tune in and join the conversation. tell me what you are talking about what you are watching the show. because our coverage continues.
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